Monday, July 16, 2007

what do tories think of tax breaks for same sex couples? have a guess

So the Tories were awfully pleased with Iain Duncan Smith's proposals that married couples should receive tax breaks, just as they did in the Good Old Days of Maggie Thatcher and, er, John Major. But then their Leader went and spoiled it for them by suggesting that this might also apply to same sex couples.

A survey from the 'voice of the grassroots' Conservative Home found 80% support for Duncan Smith's proposals on marriage, but just 37% support for Cameron's suggestion that same sex couples should also benefit.

The discussion which this has provoked almost made me feel sorry for the minority of modernising Tories, trying plaintively to persuade their colleagues to accept the modern world, for electoral reasons if nothing else, and having to debate against arguments such as:

"Were Disraeli, Baldwin, Churchill et al actually closet supporters of 'Gay Weddings'?
I think we should be told"

"I once attended a church at which the vicar would always preface his announcement of the banns of marriage of a divorcee with the phrase "Under protest, and because I am required to by law, I publish the banns of marriage of X (*divorced*) of the parish of..." If homosexuals became notionally legally entitled to marry in Church, the pressure for disestablishment would probably become overwhelming."

"Many of us recall the development of 'gay rights', which was of course from beginning to end dominated by the left, and very often the far left. Now we have a few johnny-come-latelies of the gay persuasion telling us that this is something Tories need to support. Funny they were so quiet about it before. Well, I don't buy it - and nor do a majority of CH respondents."

"Marriage is beteen man and woman ideally for procreation and should attract the tax allowance in recognition of its importance and benefit to society. Civil partnerships are of no special benefit to society only to those involved. Once again Dave is trying to be all things to all men (and women). I do not believe that the majority support tax allowances for persons in such situations nor in adoption by gays. Up north they will be rolling their eyes and looking up to the heavens. Those that wish to partake of a civil partnership, that is their business, but I do not wish to be taxed to assist them neither will I vote for a party that believes I should."

"I think our tax policy should be a flat rate of 10%.
"You shall surely tithe all the produce of what you sow which comes out of the field every year." (Deutoronomy 14:22)"

"We shouldn't go screwing around with things that have worked for 1000s of years. Leave such ignorance and arrogance to the left. I didn't take the survey but am opposed to such an extension, which will not benefit the working poor and serves no useful purpose at all - other than as a shameless bribe to a minority of the electorate"

"The obvious problem with drawing God into the rulings of HMRC is the multiple married allowances that devout Mohammedans and Mormons will then trouser."

UPDATE: also this

"I have nothing against gays I might add and many excellent eurosceptics are also gay, although it seems that gayness and treachery can on rare occasions be close relatives judging by the Cambridge lot who supplied our nuclear secrets to Moscow, and now we have the Portillista gang like Bercow. I do have a lot against Europhiles though..."

1 Comments:

At 1:18 pm , Anonymous tim f said...

"I once attended a church at which the vicar would always preface his announcement of the banns of marriage of a divorcee with the phrase "Under protest, and because I am required to by law, I publish the banns of marriage of X (*divorced*) of the parish of..." If homosexuals became notionally legally entitled to marry in Church, the pressure for disestablishment would probably become overwhelming."

This made me wonder if the new law preventing discrimination in the provision of services could be used to prevent churches from refusing to hold civil partnership ceremonies in their buildings. Anyone looked at this before, or have any thoughts?

 

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